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About the EVDL:
The Electric Vehicle Discussion List, founded in 1991 by EV enthusiast Clyde Visser, is an active and
vital source of information and help for people involved with electric vehicles. Most of our participants
are hobbyists who have built, or are building, their own EVs, usually (but not always) using conventional
gasoline or diesel vehicles as "gliders."
According to the list's charter:
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The EV Electric Vehicle Discussion Mailing List is intended to provide a forum to discuss the current state of
the art and future direction of electric vehicles. It is not intended to discuss either EV appropriateness or
comparisons with other transportation primary drive modes such as the venerable internal combustion engine.
Those discussions are best relegated to the appropriate usenet newsgroup.
An electric vehicle is any vehicle which uses an electric motor as the
primary or sole motive force. The energy storage device used to drive said
motor can use any technology including, but not limited to, solar electric,
electric battery, fuel cell, internal combustion engine coupled with an
electric generator (hybrids), or any combination of these.
Production electric vehicles are currently available.
Internal combustion engine vehicles can be converted to electric power. There
exists a number of companies who perform this conversion. There is also a number of manufacturers
of equipment allowing you to "do it yourself."
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If you're thinking about purchasing an EV or building your own, you'll find hundreds of participants
on this list who will be glad to provide guidance. Our
members
can be found literally round the world, from California to Australia.
One warning: this is a high traffic list! The number of messages regularly runs 70-100 per day. If that's
a problem for you, you might want to use Digest mode. See below for instructions.
Archives: There are several for the EV Discussion List. The offical one ("offical"
means that, as list administrator, I operate it and try to keep it working) is the
The other principal active archives are :
It's not a bad idea to examine the archives before subscribing, to help you decide whether this list
is for you.
There's also an FAQ resource, mostly written by members of this list, at
How to subscribe: The easy way is to use the EVDL's web subscription page. If you prefer, you
can subscribe by email. See below.
- To subscribe on the web, view the
EVDL Subscription Information Page
and follow the instructions given there.
- If you prefer to use email only, send an email message to the list processor address:
ev-request@lists.sjsu.edu
Either the subject or the body of the message should contain:
Don't include a signature or any other text in the message body. If your email client
doesn't allow you to send a message without a subject or without a body, just repeat the
command.
The listserver will email you a confirmation message with instructions. You can either reply to
the message, or use the web link in the message to confirm with your web browser.
When you've
confirmed your subscription request, the server will email you a welcome message. This
message includes a password. Please keep a copy of the message so you have your password -
you'll need it to change to digest, suspend emails for vacation, or unsubscribe. (If you lose your
password, don't worry - you can have it emailed to you from the
EVDL Configuration Page.)
How to post: To post a message to the list, email it to:
Please note that if the server is heavily loaded, your post may take some time - anywhere from a
few minutes to a few hours - to work its way through the system and be distributed. This is not
the medium to use when time is of the essence!
How to unsubscribe: (Please bookmark this page. That way you'll have some
idea of what to do if you ever want to drop your EVDL subscription.)
To permanently stop receiving any mail from the EV discussion list, you can unsubscribe either on the
web or by email.
- To unsubscribe on the web, visit the
EVDL Configuration Page
and follow the instructions given there.
- To unsubscribe by email (which is actually easier), compose a message to the list processor
address :
ev-request@lists.sjsu.edu
Either the subject or the body of the message should say :
The list processor will send you a confirmation email to make sure you really want to
unsubscribe (this prevents other people from gratuitously unsubscribing you).
Note: the unsubscribe command won't work if it's sent to the posting address. Also, you have to
send it from the same email address you used when you signed up for the list. You can always change
your email address or unsubscribe from the
EVDL Configuration Page
if you have your EVDL password.
If you're sure you've followed these instructions and you're still receiving mail from the list,
contact one of our support people for help.
Other commands: You can make the following changes to your subscription at the
EVDL Configuration Page.
- Unsubscribe.
- Change your Email Address.
- Change your password.
- Have your current password emailed to you. You didn't save that welcome
message, eh? Tsk, tsk. ;-)
- Disable mail delivery temporarily. This is useful when you go on vacation. Or
when you just need a vacation from 100 or so EV-related messages a day.
- Set Digest mode. If you ask for digests instead of single messages, the listserver
will treasure up messages until they reach a certain amount (currently 120kb), and then send them
to you scrunched into a single message. This may help you manage the large number of
messages the EVDL sends (often around 100 per day - see above).
- Request Plain text digests or MIME digests. The EVDL default is plain
text. If your email client program understands what to do with MIME digests, you may prefer
them as more readable. Go ahead, try MIME digests and see whether your client works with
them, and whether you like them. You can always change back to plain text.
- Unset Echo mode. This determines whether you receive copies of your own messages that
you send to the list. The default is on.
- Set Acknowledge mode. If you turn this on, every time you post a message to the EVDL,
the listserver will send you a message telling you that your message has been distributed (in case
you can't figure that out for some reason). The default is off.
- Set Password Reminder. If you want, the EVDL can send you mildly annoying
monthly reminders of your password and how to make changes. The default is off.
- Unset Avoid Duplicates. If this option is set, the list will try to avoid sending you
extra copies of emails where your own address is included in the TO and/or CC field. Default is on.
List conventions: Mostly just a matter of good
netiquette
and civil behavior.
- Post in plain ASCII text - please, no HTML or "rich text." The listserver will filter your
post if you use HTML. However, that makes it work harder, which slows down its mail delivery.
Make it happy. Send plain text.
- Don't send binary attachments to the list. If you have something to share, post it on a public website
and email the list the URL. File sharing services such as
Yousendit,
Mediafire,
and
Tinypic
work nicely for this purpose.
- Trim quoted text. Don't repeat the entire message to which you're replying. Be especially careful
of this if you're receiving the digest!
- Your own original material is far more valuable than anything you find elsewhere. Not only is copy
and paste a pretty feeble substitute for creativity, it also risks copyright violation.
- The EVDL is archived in several public places, most of which are not under our control. Once you
give the "Send" command to your email program, your words are writ large for all to see on
the web forever. If you wouldn't want an employer, rival, or spouse to see what you wrote, don't
send it!
- Information you post on the EVDL may be used for FAQs and other resources available to the public.
Posting material on the EVDL is equivalent to releasing it into the public domain. If you want to retain
ownership or copyright, please don't post your writing on the EVDL.
- Mildly off-topic posts are acceptable if flagged with "OT" in the subject line. Please use
good judgement and stay close to EV-related subjects.
- Avoid posting about overunity devices, magnetic motors, free energy, perpetual motion machines,
and anything else that appears to violate the laws of classical physics. Sorry, those subjects aren't
appropriate for the EVDL. Try
overunity.com
instead.
Electrifying Times
also hosts some articles and discussions dealing with these subjects.
- This list is focused on EVs, not on the energy to run them. In particular, it's usually not a good idea to
bring up nuclear power. Discussions of PV (solar) energy should be tightly framed in an EV context
("What's the most effective way to power my EV from the sun?"). For general discussions of
renewable energy, please subscribe to our sister list,
Alternative Energy.
- Questions and comments about ICE vehicles (internal combustion engine powered) are not appropriate
for the EVDL.
- Some list members don't consider the commercial hybrid vehicles, such as those from Toyota and Honda,
to be EVs. These vehicles derive 100% of their energy from liquid fuel. They're well covered in other forums
and mailing lists on the net anyway. Discussion of these vehicles is discouraged. However, conversion
of these vehicles to partial or 100% plug-in operation is definitely on topic.
- The
charter
notwithstanding, years ago EVDL members decided that discussion of fuel cell vehicles and hydrogen
power should be held to a minimum.
- The EVDL is not a general purpose bulletin board. Don't forward or quote email which you've received
from others, unless you're sure it's on topic and you know it was specifically intended for the EVDL (such as
when an unplugged EVDL member asks you to forward something to the list). This means that internet chain
letters, virus warnings, urban legends, political or religious tracts (no matter how urgent), inspirational or
humorous stories (no matter how moving or hilarious), and the like are all unwelcome on the EVDL.
Your questions and comments about electric vehicles, however, are welcome.
- The subject of whether the EVDL should convert from a mailing list to a web forum has been exhaustively
discussed in the past. The consensus is that the members are satisfied with the current format. Please see
the archives for more information. Bringing up this subject yet again may result in some less than polite
rejoinders, and is not recommended. If you want an EV forum, why not try our
forum interface
instead?
- Please note the following statement from the list's charter: "[The list] is not intended to discuss
either EV appropriateness or comparisons with other transportation primary drive modes such as the venerable
internal combustion engine." This means that we're not here to debate whether EVs are generally
practical or desireable or useful. However, none of us is so Pollyana-ish as to believe that an EV is practical
or desirable or useful for absolutely every person. You're always welcome to ask the EVDL for help deciding
whether an EV will work for your own transportation needs.
- Be collegial and civil. Remember that our members come from all backgrounds and have many
different reasons for interest in EVs. Not all are environmentalists. They come from all over the political
spectrum.
- Follow the Fidonet Principles:
- Thou shalt not be too annoying.
- Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.
- Avoid off-topic subjects likely to cause flames, especially partisan politics and religion.
- Treat list members online as you'd treat them face to face.
- Argue your points with verifiable facts, not insults or abuse.
- If you post an opinion, don't forget to flag it with the standard "IMHO."
- If you're kidding, use an appropriate
icon.
;-)
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